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A text from Dad: what’s happening in ai rn? The reply: OpenAI's 'Bel' Rumor Returns, and Reddit Stays Skeptical

The boy says: THE RUMOR RETURNED WITH ZERO PROOF

The boy from AI Lately's Sunday Funnies, in glasses, a white T-shirt and black shorts: a shrug with open palms, worried brows, a flat mouth.

Saturday, Oct. 24, 2026 · Sunrise Update

OpenAI's 'Bel' Rumor Returns, and Reddit Stays Skeptical

An old claim about OpenAI's next model returns on Reddit, and commenters call it unconfirmed.

Number 1, Reddit thread

r/OpenAI u/Soggy_Perspective776

Oct. 24 · 1:05 a.m. ET

Rumor of OpenAI's Next Model 'Bel' Resurfaces

u/Soggy_Perspective776 wroteIt's said that Bel is Doug's successor
162 comments
Comments
On Reddit
7,382 views
Wikipedia pageviews, OpenAI (Oct. 23)
Beyond Reddit
142 likes
Likes, original leak post
Beyond Reddit

The takeaway

An old, unconfirmed rumor about OpenAI's next model returned, and Reddit still doubts it.

Number 2, Reddit thread

r/singularity u/VariationLivid3193

Oct. 24 · 1:15 a.m. ET

Anthropic's Leaked Numbers Spark a Reddit History Debate

u/VariationLivid3193 wroteRevenue: $16.3B Net loss: $80.7B IPO valuation: $2T
118 comments
Comments
On Reddit
6,463 views
Wikipedia pageviews, Anthropic (Oct. 23)
Beyond Reddit
21 points
Hacker News points, WSJ story on Anthropic's S-1
Beyond Reddit

The takeaway

Reddit argued about history while a filing explained where the scary loss number came from.

Number 3, Reddit thread

r/antiai u/JarPicklez

Oct. 23 · 8:50 p.m. ET

Samsung TV Hack Spreads to Hacker News' Front Page

u/JarPicklez wroteThis is wild
200 comments
Comments, r/antiai
On Reddit
155 points
Hacker News points
Beyond Reddit
35 comments
Hacker News comments
Beyond Reddit

The takeaway

A privacy story about a smart TV reached the engineers who build banning systems.

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A text from Dad: what’s happening in ai rn? The reply: OpenAI's 'Bel' Rumor Returns, and Reddit Stays Skeptical

Six times a day: what blew up in AI on X and Reddit, why it caught fire, and what it says about the people building AI.

The boy says: THE RUMOR RETURNED WITH ZERO PROOF

The boy from AI Lately's Sunday Funnies, in glasses, a white T-shirt and black shorts: a shrug with open palms, worried brows, a flat mouth.

Sunrise Update, 6:07 a.m. ETCovers 12:07 a.m. to 6:07 a.m. ET

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OpenAI's 'Bel' Rumor Returns, and Reddit Stays Skeptical

An old claim about OpenAI's next model returns on Reddit, and commenters call it unconfirmed.

Published 6:07 a.m. ET by AI Lately

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Number 1

Reddit thread

Rumor of OpenAI's Next Model 'Bel' Resurfaces

r/OpenAI u/Soggy_Perspective776Posted

r/OpenAIu/Soggy_Perspective776

GPT-6 Bel Coming Soon >It's said that Bel is Doug's successor >Reportedly, total parameters exceed 10T >Bel may serve as the foundation for the model after GPT-6

“It's said that Bel is Doug's successor”

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By the numbers

Comments
162 comments
On Reddit
As of
Comments: Source: Reddit
Wikipedia pageviews, OpenAI (Oct. 23)
7,382 views
Beyond Reddit
As of
Wikipedia pageviews, OpenAI (Oct. 23): Source: Wikipedia pageviews
Likes, original leak post
142 likes
Beyond Reddit
As of
Likes, original leak post: Source: X
Likes, second leak post
21 likes
Beyond Reddit
As of
Likes, second leak post: Source: X

The take

A screenshot spread across Reddit early Saturday. It claims OpenAI finished training a giant new model. The claim gives the model a name: Bel. Bel would follow an older model called Doug. People have debated Doug's name for months. The post says Bel holds more than ten trillion parameters. It says Bel could become the base for GPT-6. Some readers went further still. They guessed Bel might cross an AGI threshold after more training.

The post landed in r/OpenAI overnight. It drew 162 comments within a few hours. Readers argued fast. One person asked a plain question: who is Doug? Another called Bel an old leak, repeated again. A top comment put it simply. Zero public statement from OpenAI backs the Bel name, it said.

The claim traces back to two posts on X. Both posts ran in late August. One account, Wall St Engine, posted the first version. It drew 142 likes. A second account, Vaibhav Sisinty, repeated the claim a day later. That post drew 21 likes. Both accounts post from outside OpenAI. Both posts skip a named source inside the company.

The thread then turned toward an older sore spot. OpenAI once called an earlier model, Astra, close to AGI. Commenters called that claim a mistake. One wrote that calling Astra AGI was the biggest blunder of all time. Interest in OpenAI itself stays high regardless. The company's own Wikipedia page drew 7,382 views on Friday.

Bel may turn out real. It may turn out to be a dead end. OpenAI has said zero word about it either way. The thread shows two things at once. One group still chases every leak about the next model. A second group grows tired of names that outrun their own proof.

What it says about the people in AI

An old, unconfirmed rumor about OpenAI's next model returned, and Reddit still doubts it.

Sources

  1. Reddit (r/OpenAI) GPT-6 Bel Coming Soon
  2. X / @wallstengine Rumor: OpenAI has reportedly completed a new pretraining run codenamed "Bel"
  3. X / @VaibhavSisinty Bel. That's the codename for OpenAI's next major pretrain

Number 2

Reddit thread

Anthropic's Leaked Numbers Spark a Reddit History Debate

r/singularity u/VariationLivid3193Posted

r/singularityu/VariationLivid3193

Revenue: $16.3B Net loss: $80.7B IPO valuation: $2T

“Revenue: $16.3B Net loss: $80.7B IPO valuation: $2T”

Open on Reddit (opens a new tab)

By the numbers

Comments
118 comments
On Reddit
As of
Comments: Source: Reddit
Wikipedia pageviews, Anthropic (Oct. 23)
6,463 views
Beyond Reddit
As of
Wikipedia pageviews, Anthropic (Oct. 23): Source: Wikipedia pageviews
Hacker News points, WSJ story on Anthropic's S-1
21 points
Beyond Reddit
As of
Hacker News points, WSJ story on Anthropic's S-1: Source: Hacker News
IPO valuation target
$2 trillion
Beyond Reddit
As of
IPO valuation target: Source: fortune.com
4 more numbers behind this take

The take

A meme landed on Reddit's r/singularity before dawn. It stacks three numbers on top of each other. Revenue: $16.3 billion. Net loss: $80.7 billion. IPO valuation target: $2 trillion. The numbers trace back to Anthropic's own filing. The Wall Street Journal reviewed a draft of it this week.

The post carries zero caption beyond those numbers. Readers filled in the rest themselves. One compared Anthropic to early Apple and Microsoft. Another pushed back fast. Apple turned a profit almost immediately, the reply said. Anthropic stays unprofitable by that same measure. The reply chain ran long. By Saturday morning it had drawn 118 comments.

The real filing explains the scary number. Most of the $80.7 billion loss skipped cash entirely. About $72 billion came from marking up old financing paper. The operating loss sits closer to $8.7 billion. Revenue grew close to fifteen times over one year. Anthropic also told investors its compute bill could reach $750 billion over time.

Anthropic wants to list shares as soon as November. Reports put the target valuation near $2 trillion. That price would value the firm at over sixty times its yearly sales pace. Wall Street has priced young AI firms high before. This filing tests how high investors will still go.

Readers on Reddit argued about history instead of the filing itself. A commenter noted Apple nearly went bankrupt once too. Another called the comparison unfair on its face. Interest in Anthropic itself stayed strong. Its Wikipedia page logged 6,463 views on Friday.

The debate missed the filing's real split. Nine-tenths of the scary number is paper. One-tenth is the part that costs real money. Readers argued about Apple. The filing argued about math instead.

What it says about the people in AI

Reddit argued about history while a filing explained where the scary loss number came from.

Sources

  1. Reddit (r/singularity) Revenue: $16.3B Net loss: $80.7B IPO valuation: $2T
  2. Investing.com, via Reuters Anthropic revenue hits $16.3 billion as preliminary S-1 outlines IPO risks
  3. Fortune Anthropic's S-1 leaks (again), here's a look at the massive losses on the income statement

Number 3

Reddit thread

Samsung TV Hack Spreads to Hacker News' Front Page

r/antiai u/JarPicklezPosted

r/antiaiu/JarPicklez

Hacker reverse engineers his Samsung TV and finds on-board AI listening for sounds of dog and baby, proceeds to get his account suspended by OpenAI

“This is wild”

Open on Reddit (opens a new tab)

By the numbers

Comments, r/antiai
200 comments
On Reddit
As of
Comments, r/antiai: Source: Reddit
Hacker News points
155 points
Beyond Reddit
As of
Hacker News points: Source: Hacker News
Hacker News comments
35 comments
Beyond Reddit
As of
Hacker News comments: Source: Hacker News
Likes, original privacy write-up
18.8K
Beyond Reddit
As of
Likes, original privacy write-up: Source: X public data

The take

A story that broke Friday night kept spreading Saturday morning. A hacker who posts as log4j took apart a new Samsung TV. Log4j found the TV listens for sounds. It listens for a dog barking. It listens for a baby crying. OpenAI banned log4j's account two days later. Log4j says the ban followed reverse engineering work done at home. Log4j says that work stayed local, away from OpenAI's own tools.

The first write-up alone pulled 18,822 likes before any ban news broke. That early reaction helped push the story toward a wider audience days later. The story first spread on X and Reddit's r/singularity. By Saturday it reached a new crowd entirely. Hacker News put the story on its front page. The link drew 155 points within a few hours. It drew 35 comments there. A separate repost appeared on r/antiai. That thread alone pulled 200 comments.

The new crowd argued a narrower point. Developers on Hacker News focused less on the TV itself. They focused more on the ban. They asked how a safety system flags work done on another company's hardware. Some called the ban an overreach. Others said any company can ban any account for any reason.

Samsung has stated zero public response to the privacy claims. OpenAI has given zero explanation beyond log4j's own account of the ban. Both companies left a growing crowd of readers to fill the silence with guesses.

The spread says something plain. A story about a smart TV listening for a dog started inside one small community. It ended up in front of the engineers who build the tools in question. Reverse engineers already watch which systems flag their own work. Now they have one more public example to point to.

What it says about the people in AI

A privacy story about a smart TV reached the engineers who build banning systems.

Sources

  1. Reddit (r/antiai) Hacker reverse engineers his Samsung TV and finds on-board AI listening for sounds of dog and baby, proceeds to get his account suspended by OpenAI
  2. Hacker News Hacker reverses Samsung TV, finds on-board AI listening OpenAI account suspended
  3. OpenAI Securing our frontier model training environment

That is AI right now.

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